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deathinthebag:

All this hate I’ve been getting sure has opened my eyes, I now mindlessly agree. Any being a woman finds unworthy of life is nothing but lowly scum, to be discarded at the earliest convenience, life only has value if a woman directly grants it. Women themselves are holy and unquestionable, they are so holy that they should not be held responsible for there actions. How could they have known that sex leads to pregnancy, such a connection is completely unfeasible. I thank all the angry trolls, and messengers of feigned outrage, you have opened my eyes.

lmao someones upset they got corrected multiple times

not our fault you used a faulty argument )’:

plus its really telling that you had multiple people explain reasonably the faults in your reasoning and your response is childishly reducing the argument to a strawman. if you cant handle the heat get out of the kitchen.

Wow your one self righteous little rodent. Those mean and evil fetus’s keep maliciously attacking and violating those nice women’s right to bodily autonomy.

All this hate I’ve been getting sure has opened my eyes, I now mindlessly agree. Any being a woman finds unworthy of life is nothing but lowly scum, to be discarded at the earliest convenience, life only has value if a woman directly grants it. Women themselves are holy and unquestionable, they are so holy that they should not be held responsible for there actions. How could they have known that sex leads to pregnancy, such a connection is completely unfeasible. I thank all the angry trolls, and messengers of feigned outrage, you have opened my eyes.

tobeyisprochoice:

petefoxshend:

tobeyisprochoice:

motherbychoice:

deathinthebag:

As a thought experiment lets pretend I’m a racial supremacist. Perhaps a Nazi, I don’t value Jewish life. In fact, if you ask me they have no soul, they’re just a big group of cells that look human. I think that although a Jew can be useful, should I not want that Jew around I should be allowed to kill that Jew without consequence. In fact, the mass slaughter of Jews should be allowed. They are nothing but parasites of Aryans.

Personally, I find this view to be disgusting and morally bankrupt. If this were to be allowed in society I would denounce it, and do everything in my power to stop it. Now replace the word Jew with fetus, and Nazi/Aryan with mother/women. That is why I’m anti- abortion, and find people with a “pro-choice” stance to be disgusting and morally bankrupt.

Holy shit. Holy fucking shit.

It’s bad enough when people vaguely refer to abortion as a holocaust. I mean, that’s horrible.

But when you actively compare sentient people to a fetus? A whole group of people who suffered through legitimate genocide and STILL face persecution today. People who felt and feel pain. People who are fully aware. That is even more fucking disgusting.

And then act like pregnant people abort for the same reasons that nazis want to kill anyone who isn’t straight, white, cis, and able-bodied. But, specifically, for this post, Jewish people.

A fetus is unconscious, feels nothing, understands nothing, feeds off of the person carrying it to their detriment.

This post shows you have no understanding of why people abort and not an ounce of compassion for victims of genocide and, in particular, Jewish people.

Ugh, pro-lifers like this are the absolute worst. Disgusting.

I have only two things to say: Good. God.

how can you even make a comparison like this? how is a non-sentient fetus being aborted comparable to the suffering of millions of actual people? I’ve heard a shit ton of disingenuous arguments, op, but yours takes the fucking cake.

I second that sentiment.

Yep definitely no devaluing of human life going on here. If a simple thought exercise makes you immediately assume a literal comparison than really no amount of clear argument is going reach that thick skull of yours.

dogsdefensesquad:

deathinthebag:

dogsdefensesquad:

deathinthebag:

skeptic42:

entanglingbriars:

yidquotes:

deathinthebag:

As a thought experiment lets pretend I’m a racial supremacist. Perhaps a Nazi, I don’t value Jewish life. In fact, if you ask me they have no soul, they’re just a big group of cells that look human. I think that although a Jew can be useful, should I not want that Jew around I should be allowed to kill that Jew without consequence. In fact, the mass slaughter of Jews should be allowed. They are nothing but parasites of Aryans.

Personally, I find this view to be disgusting and morally bankrupt. If this were to be allowed in society I would denounce it, and do everything in my power to stop it. Now replace the word Jew with fetus, and Nazi/Aryan with mother/women. That is why I’m anti- abortion, and find people with a “pro-choice” stance to be disgusting and morally bankrupt.

This is a horrible analogy and I hope that you would delete it.

That… isn’t even how Nazi eugenics ideology worked. Jews weren’t seen as soulless; we were seen as malicious, actively plotting the destruction of our racial betters. Within the broader context of late nineteenth/early twentieth century European nationalism and scientific racism, the belief was that each nation (defined as a group of people bound by a common language, land, and heritage) thrived best when kept free from outside genetic and ideological influences.

There was, therefore, no element of choice involved for the committed Nazi. Jews, and all other desirables, had to be purged. To keep us around was not a permissible option.

The literature of eugenicists and scientific racists is harrowing, and it does not mirror the literature of pro-choice activists. If you believe abortion is murder, you’ll have to find a different analogy.

It’s false equivalency and thinking like @deathinthebag demonstrates that people like Robert Dear use to justify shooting up a Planned Parenthood clinic.

The analogy breaks down when examined more closely.  The Jew is a viable person, the fetus is not.

Let’s take this in a different direction.  Replace Jew with homosexual and Ayran with christian.  We can even tone down the word kill and replace it with corrective rape.  Homosexuals are morally bankrupt therefore crimes against them are justified.

It’s this type of authoritarian thinking combined with stripping marginalized and hated groups of their humanity that allows people to justify hatred and hate crimes.

Religions in particular see god’s law as higher then man’s law and feel there’s an imperative to enforce it.  (Why does god need man to enforce his laws?  So much for judge not lest ye be judged.)  They make concerted efforts like the catholic church and the jehovah’s witnesses to hide pedophilia and never report it.

I hold the right to life as man’s highest law. The comparison is meant show what kind of terrible things humans can justify when they deny any living things right to life. It is not meant as a one to one comparison.

Except the right to life is not above the right to bodily autonomy and we’ve seen this, time and time again.

No one has the right use another person’s body, even if it’s to save their own life.

When a parent doesn’t supply a born child with everything it needs to live they are often sentenced with murder or at least criminal negligence. Men are sued for child support to pay for children they don’t want, but should a women decided her unborn child would be an inconvenience to her life style she can kill it. A human life should be considered slightly more important than 9 months of discomfort. Realistically you could argue for a pragmatic need for abortion, but not a moral one.

If someone has a kid they don’t want, they can place the kid up for adoption.

Regardless, all your examples do not deal with bodily autonomy.

I personally think men shouldn’t have to pay for children they do not want, though I don’t thinj you can equate a man’s wallet to a person’s body.

And yet, morally, the courts still decided that our right to bodily autonomy is still above life-

Discomfort as small and simple as donating blood is more important then someone’s need to live.

A pregnancy is much tougher than that, and more costly.

You cannot morally justify this inconsistency, and think abortion is wrong.

This right to bodily autonomy could be used if the child was willingly violating it. They are not, they don’t have the ability to choose, a women does. A living being with no choice in the matter is not violating your rights, to think so is completely ridiculous. A women does have a choice and therefore can act as a moral agent, and not killing something far more moral than killing something.

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prochoice-or-gtfo:

deathinthebag:

As a thought experiment lets pretend I’m a racial supremacist. Perhaps a Nazi, I don’t value Jewish life. In fact, if you ask me they have no soul, they’re just a big group of cells that look human. I think that although a Jew can be useful, should I not want that Jew around I should be allowed to kill that Jew without consequence. In fact, the mass slaughter of Jews should be allowed. They are nothing but parasites of Aryans.

Personally, I find this view to be disgusting and morally bankrupt. If this were to be allowed in society I would denounce it, and do everything in my power to stop it. Now replace the word Jew with fetus, and Nazi/Aryan with mother/women. That is why I’m anti- abortion, and find people with a “pro-choice” stance to be disgusting and morally bankrupt.

Remember when we said that antis tend to be anti-Semitic? This is what we meant.
-V

did you seriously just compare those who fight for the right to abortion with NAZIS???????????

Are you out of your fucking mind? if anyones morally bankrupt its you holy fuuuuuck

Yes words are certainly the most immoral things of all. It’s not a literal comparison but a mental exercise to contrast two groups of people whom dehumanize others in order to guiltlessly kill them.

To sum myself up, I would say I believe that a human life has value in two parts. One is an inherent value in the moment. I can’t quite quantify it or completely explain it. I guess I’d say it is a metaphysical value I would attribute to all life. The second part is the value of life’s potential, the future of a life. That life’s ability to go through existence and experience, well, life. It’s ups, its down, happy moments, sad moments, and all the things in between. All politics aside I have to say I am against abortion because it kills this potential, stops it before it’s even given a real chance to start. For someone who is pro-choice I have to ask;

Do you think a women’s right to choose is more valuable than this potential?

If your answer is yes, then honestly there is no point in arguing with me. I’m not going to change my mind and you aren’t going to change yours. If you aren’t sure, then perhaps instead of arguing with me you should think on it yourself.

skeptic42:

deathinthebag:

dogsdefensesquad:

deathinthebag:

skeptic42:

entanglingbriars:

yidquotes:

deathinthebag:

As a thought experiment lets pretend I’m a racial supremacist. Perhaps a Nazi, I don’t value Jewish life. In fact, if you ask me they have no soul, they’re just a big group of cells that look human. I think that although a Jew can be useful, should I not want that Jew around I should be allowed to kill that Jew without consequence. In fact, the mass slaughter of Jews should be allowed. They are nothing but parasites of Aryans.

Personally, I find this view to be disgusting and morally bankrupt. If this were to be allowed in society I would denounce it, and do everything in my power to stop it. Now replace the word Jew with fetus, and Nazi/Aryan with mother/women. That is why I’m anti- abortion, and find people with a “pro-choice” stance to be disgusting and morally bankrupt.

This is a horrible analogy and I hope that you would delete it.

That… isn’t even how Nazi eugenics ideology worked. Jews weren’t seen as soulless; we were seen as malicious, actively plotting the destruction of our racial betters. Within the broader context of late nineteenth/early twentieth century European nationalism and scientific racism, the belief was that each nation (defined as a group of people bound by a common language, land, and heritage) thrived best when kept free from outside genetic and ideological influences.

There was, therefore, no element of choice involved for the committed Nazi. Jews, and all other desirables, had to be purged. To keep us around was not a permissible option.

The literature of eugenicists and scientific racists is harrowing, and it does not mirror the literature of pro-choice activists. If you believe abortion is murder, you’ll have to find a different analogy.

It’s false equivalency and thinking like @deathinthebag demonstrates that people like Robert Dear use to justify shooting up a Planned Parenthood clinic.

The analogy breaks down when examined more closely.  The Jew is a viable person, the fetus is not.

Let’s take this in a different direction.  Replace Jew with homosexual and Ayran with christian.  We can even tone down the word kill and replace it with corrective rape.  Homosexuals are morally bankrupt therefore crimes against them are justified.

It’s this type of authoritarian thinking combined with stripping marginalized and hated groups of their humanity that allows people to justify hatred and hate crimes.

Religions in particular see god’s law as higher then man’s law and feel there’s an imperative to enforce it.  (Why does god need man to enforce his laws?  So much for judge not lest ye be judged.)  They make concerted efforts like the catholic church and the jehovah’s witnesses to hide pedophilia and never report it.

I hold the right to life as man’s highest law. The comparison is meant show what kind of terrible things humans can justify when they deny any living things right to life. It is not meant as a one to one comparison.

Except the right to life is not above the right to bodily autonomy and we’ve seen this, time and time again.

No one has the right use another person’s body, even if it’s to save their own life.

When a parent doesn’t supply a born child with everything it needs to live they are often sentenced with murder or at least criminal negligence. Men are sued for child support to pay for children they don’t want, but should a women decided her unborn child would be an inconvenience to her life style she can kill it. A human life should be considered slightly more important than 9 months of discomfort. Realistically you could argue for a pragmatic need for abortion, but not a moral one.

It’s not about the right to life or morality.  It’s about control.  Your ideology over the autonomy of women.  The law protects the fetus at the beginning of the third trimester, the point when it begins to reach viability, but that just ain’t good enough.  Every sperm is sacred.  And it’s not just nine months of “discomfort.”  You are completely and totally incapable of fully understanding what it is like to carry a child.  You diminish everything about child bearing with ignorance like that.

The problem with people who hate abortion because they “value” life is that “value” ends at birth.  It becomes “That kid is someone else’s responsibility,”  “They shouldn’t have had it,” and “That whore needs to keep her legs shut.”  Pure and utter ignorance.  The majority of abortions are performed by women who are incapable of raising the child.  And the majority of people adopting want perfect babies, not babies that might come from “crack whores.”  And even using contraceptives isn’t a guarantee against pregnancy.  Certain medications can interfere with the pill.  What then?  “Your dentist forgot to ask if you were on the pill before he treated you.  Sucks to be you.  But it’s only nine months of ‘discomfort’.”

The issue is not as simplistic as you make it.  You don’t have to like abortion.  You just have to respect other people’s choices over their own body and their own life.  Understand that you aren’t arguing from morality, your using morality to enforce your views upon others.  Women have been treated like shit for thousands of years, it’s time to let them have the equality we claim they have and give them control over their own lives.

Yes, life is pretty amazing.  The problem is humanity hasn’t fully learned how to value it.

Control? I find that laughable, as if I gain any control. The fact of the matter is, no where is it written that anyone has the right to consequence free sex. When you participate in vaginal sex you risk pregnancy. You don’t have to like reality, but you have to respect other beings right to life, or face the consequences for violating it.

If a man gets a woman pregnant he has no ‘control’ over whether or not the child is kept, and if he doesn’t want it, he is still forced to pay child support for that child. He has no ‘control’ the moment he consents to have sex. I simply believe that women should be held to the same standard. If you conceive a child you should be expected to carry it to term. To believe otherwise would be to concede that women are less responsible than men. The most important rule for a moral principle is universality, ie; if I don’t think my life should only be given value by whether or not my mother wants me, then I shouldn’t hold the opposite over someone else, born or unborn.

I have no respect for a body that feels completely justified in killing another living being completely unprovoked. When you argue for pro-choice, what you are arguing is that women are irresponsible children who should be protected from the consequences of there actions. It’s funny how often, equality is used by childish people usually fighting for special privileges.

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dogsdefensesquad:

deathinthebag:

skeptic42:

entanglingbriars:

yidquotes:

deathinthebag:

As a thought experiment lets pretend I’m a racial supremacist. Perhaps a Nazi, I don’t value Jewish life. In fact, if you ask me they have no soul, they’re just a big group of cells that look human. I think that although a Jew can be useful, should I not want that Jew around I should be allowed to kill that Jew without consequence. In fact, the mass slaughter of Jews should be allowed. They are nothing but parasites of Aryans.

Personally, I find this view to be disgusting and morally bankrupt. If this were to be allowed in society I would denounce it, and do everything in my power to stop it. Now replace the word Jew with fetus, and Nazi/Aryan with mother/women. That is why I’m anti- abortion, and find people with a “pro-choice” stance to be disgusting and morally bankrupt.

This is a horrible analogy and I hope that you would delete it.

That… isn’t even how Nazi eugenics ideology worked. Jews weren’t seen as soulless; we were seen as malicious, actively plotting the destruction of our racial betters. Within the broader context of late nineteenth/early twentieth century European nationalism and scientific racism, the belief was that each nation (defined as a group of people bound by a common language, land, and heritage) thrived best when kept free from outside genetic and ideological influences.

There was, therefore, no element of choice involved for the committed Nazi. Jews, and all other desirables, had to be purged. To keep us around was not a permissible option.

The literature of eugenicists and scientific racists is harrowing, and it does not mirror the literature of pro-choice activists. If you believe abortion is murder, you’ll have to find a different analogy.

It’s false equivalency and thinking like @deathinthebag demonstrates that people like Robert Dear use to justify shooting up a Planned Parenthood clinic.

The analogy breaks down when examined more closely.  The Jew is a viable person, the fetus is not.

Let’s take this in a different direction.  Replace Jew with homosexual and Ayran with christian.  We can even tone down the word kill and replace it with corrective rape.  Homosexuals are morally bankrupt therefore crimes against them are justified.

It’s this type of authoritarian thinking combined with stripping marginalized and hated groups of their humanity that allows people to justify hatred and hate crimes.

Religions in particular see god’s law as higher then man’s law and feel there’s an imperative to enforce it.  (Why does god need man to enforce his laws?  So much for judge not lest ye be judged.)  They make concerted efforts like the catholic church and the jehovah’s witnesses to hide pedophilia and never report it.

I hold the right to life as man’s highest law. The comparison is meant show what kind of terrible things humans can justify when they deny any living things right to life. It is not meant as a one to one comparison.

Except the right to life is not above the right to bodily autonomy and we’ve seen this, time and time again.

No one has the right use another person’s body, even if it’s to save their own life.

When a parent doesn’t supply a born child with everything it needs to live they are often sentenced with murder or at least criminal negligence. Men are sued for child support to pay for children they don’t want, but should a women decided her unborn child would be an inconvenience to her life style she can kill it. A human life should be considered slightly more important than 9 months of discomfort. Realistically you could argue for a pragmatic need for abortion, but not a moral one.

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skeptic42:

entanglingbriars:

yidquotes:

deathinthebag:

As a thought experiment lets pretend I’m a racial supremacist. Perhaps a Nazi, I don’t value Jewish life. In fact, if you ask me they have no soul, they’re just a big group of cells that look human. I think that although a Jew can be useful, should I not want that Jew around I should be allowed to kill that Jew without consequence. In fact, the mass slaughter of Jews should be allowed. They are nothing but parasites of Aryans.

Personally, I find this view to be disgusting and morally bankrupt. If this were to be allowed in society I would denounce it, and do everything in my power to stop it. Now replace the word Jew with fetus, and Nazi/Aryan with mother/women. That is why I’m anti- abortion, and find people with a “pro-choice” stance to be disgusting and morally bankrupt.

This is a horrible analogy and I hope that you would delete it.

That… isn’t even how Nazi eugenics ideology worked. Jews weren’t seen as soulless; we were seen as malicious, actively plotting the destruction of our racial betters. Within the broader context of late nineteenth/early twentieth century European nationalism and scientific racism, the belief was that each nation (defined as a group of people bound by a common language, land, and heritage) thrived best when kept free from outside genetic and ideological influences.

There was, therefore, no element of choice involved for the committed Nazi. Jews, and all other desirables, had to be purged. To keep us around was not a permissible option.

The literature of eugenicists and scientific racists is harrowing, and it does not mirror the literature of pro-choice activists. If you believe abortion is murder, you’ll have to find a different analogy.

It’s false equivalency and thinking like @deathinthebag demonstrates that people like Robert Dear use to justify shooting up a Planned Parenthood clinic.

The analogy breaks down when examined more closely.  The Jew is a viable person, the fetus is not.

Let’s take this in a different direction.  Replace Jew with homosexual and Ayran with christian.  We can even tone down the word kill and replace it with corrective rape.  Homosexuals are morally bankrupt therefore crimes against them are justified.

It’s this type of authoritarian thinking combined with stripping marginalized and hated groups of their humanity that allows people to justify hatred and hate crimes.

Religions in particular see god’s law as higher then man’s law and feel there’s an imperative to enforce it.  (Why does god need man to enforce his laws?  So much for judge not lest ye be judged.)  They make concerted efforts like the catholic church and the jehovah’s witnesses to hide pedophilia and never report it.

I hold the right to life as man’s highest law. The comparison is meant show what kind of terrible things humans can justify when they deny any living things right to life. It is not meant as a one to one comparison.

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